Find Singapore.Net Forum Index » Singapore Issues » I am 55......... Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next    View previous topic :: View next topic  Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 11:06 pm lazybum Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 1975 Location: Singapore sometime/other part of the world sometime Quote: During my time, we felt it was great fun to put our hand to back of a Hainanese and siad "Hey, it is flat" to their great irritation. And yes, during my time, Hainanese male were regarded as the handsomest of all CHinese. Hey, how come the back of head is not "flat" and I am not handsome also. Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 11:08 pm sae_0203 Princess Ambrosia   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2398 Location: NE, Singapore coz u not Hainanese meh... if u are then perhaps u belongs to the 0.0001% that is "EXTRA" _________________ Out of cluster, we can find simplicity and, in the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 11:15 pm lazybum Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 1975 Location: Singapore sometime/other part of the world sometime Quote: coz u not Hainanese meh... if u are then perhaps u belongs to the 0.0001% that is "EXTRA" Sorry out of date, what u mean by "EXTRA" Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 11:20 pm sae_0203 Princess Ambrosia   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2398 Location: NE, Singapore Quote: Sorry out of date, what u mean by "EXTRA" promise not to angry w panpan first... if u angry then dun continue reading... EXTRA Mean u dun qualifying to among those yandao Hanianese male lor... hmm so poor thing... nvm dun sad... i go back boil some cooling tea for u... from tea house. _________________ Out of cluster, we can find simplicity and, in the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 11:32 pm Lai CF Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2600 Location: Singapore lazybum wrote: Quote: During my time, we felt it was great fun to put our hand to back of a Hainanese and siad "Hey, it is flat" to their great irritation. And yes, during my time, Hainanese male were regarded as the handsomest of all CHinese. Hey, how come the back of head is not "flat" and I am not handsome also. Well, 'cos you did not sleep on those hard, cold ceramic pillows... .....it shapes yt head and face to be more regular and of course..handsome. goodnight lazy and do have a safe and nice day on the other side of the world. _________________ AT the end of it all....wu wei Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 1:16 am lazybum Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 1975 Location: Singapore sometime/other part of the world sometime Quote: Well, 'cos you did not sleep on those hard, cold ceramic pillows... .....it shapes yt head and face to be more regular and of course..handsome. Shld known abt it early now too late, no wonder no girl friend. Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 10:15 am redbean Platinium Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 728 now i know why my head is flat and so handsome. no i am not hainanese. but i slept on those ceramic pillows. plenty of them in the opium den which i happened to live in. cook opium, sell opium, smell opium, even eat opium sai for tummy ache. _________________ please do not believe what i said, serious. wu yong Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 10:27 am sae_0203 Princess Ambrosia   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2398 Location: NE, Singapore Quote: now i know why my head is flat and so handsome. no i am not hainanese. but i slept on those ceramic pillows. plenty of them in the opium den which i happened to live in. cook opium, sell opium, smell opium, even eat opium sai for tummy ache. Oh? wu yong? I know all along u very charming one. Like ?white horse prince? haha? prince charming? u know Hey? u smell opium? got high anot? How come never bring some here? I also wanna try. Hmmm oh hmmm pm me dun let 999 know k.. haha? saw from tv moive, they call it black gold. Y black gold huh? When the power is white in color? Whats opium sai Quote: Shld known abt it early now too late, no wonder no girl friend. hmmm no gf means got wife liao huh? Hmm see u learn so much abt yrself over here? _________________ Out of cluster, we can find simplicity and, in the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 10:35 am redbean Platinium Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 728 that was long long ago. opium sai or ah pian sai, is actually left over burnt opium inside the pipe. opium was a cure all drug for pain and tummy ache and of course getting high. now want a lesson in how to cook and prepare opium? :lol: as a boy i witnessed every process. even helped out a little. very nice fragrant though. but never smoke them. not even touch a cigarette. _________________ please do not believe what i said, serious. wu yong Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 11:10 pm robertteh Platinium Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 818 Location: singland redbean wrote: that was long long ago. opium sai or ah pian sai, is actually left over burnt opium inside the pipe. opium was a cure all drug for pain and tummy ache and of course getting high. now want a lesson in how to cook and prepare opium? :lol: as a boy i witnessed every process. even helped out a little. very nice fragrant though. but never smoke them. not even touch a cigarette. Long long ago, the opium was smoked in the pipes by poorer class of smokers of opium who were quite harmless. Today, opium was smoked by the upper class called elites. They smoke the top-class opium which are invisible non-smoky and odourless but extremely addictive. Once addicted there is no way the elite smokers can unhook their habit even with cold turkey treatments. The new opium despite their addictiveness is not put on the dangerous drugs list as the smokers are normally the privileged elites and will be free to get addicted without feeling any social stigma. In fact their addictions can make them do almost anything at the high places like jacking up costs telling good stories about achievements or talents. Mind you the citizens were unable except to suffer all the doings by the addicts and live with them. What can opium do one should know. There will be another round of opium-induced price increases very soon. So how powerful is the new opium everybody should get ready to experience the powerful drug effect. :lol: :lol: :lol: _________________ Author of Objective-steps Mgt Sys (computerized call centre processing) http://www.managefranchise.blogspot.com http://www.ospforohsopolite.blogspot.com http://www.politicaldiscussions.blogspot.com Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 11:28 pm sae_0203 Princess Ambrosia   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2398 Location: NE, Singapore Quote: now want a lesson in how to cook and prepare opium? as a boy i witnessed every process. even helped out a little. very nice fragrant though. but never smoke them. not even touch a cigarette. yupe yupe... i wanna learn how to cook n prepare opium. but cook is really cooking n consume it huh? {waiting to learn to prepare opium - last time the wife need to learn how to prepare opium for the husband anot huh?} _________________ Out of cluster, we can find simplicity and, in the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 11:34 pm Lai CF Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2600 Location: Singapore sae_0203 wrote: {waiting to learn to prepare opium - last time the wife need to learn how to prepare opium for the husband anot huh?} You can always experiment with me...... A working stiff and a living corpse has one thing in common. They are both brain-dead... _________________ AT the end of it all....wu wei Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 11:43 pm sae_0203 Princess Ambrosia   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2398 Location: NE, Singapore Quote: You can always experiment with me wu yong... then u teach me how to be a good lady/wife? u sure know how to prepare opium one right? _________________ Out of cluster, we can find simplicity and, in the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 8:39 am redbean Platinium Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 728 haha panpan, my pc was down last night so did not come into the site. ya, pillow talk over a few puffs. that's what my pa and ma used to do then. each one laid on one side of the lamp, rolling the opium on the little porcelain cup and sharing the same opium pipe. the poor workers imitating the lifestyle of the decadent mandarins of the manchu dynasty. one day i will teach you how to boil the raw opium and prepare the pipe for a good opium draw, like a good husband and a good wife. :wink: to the poor folks, opium is practically the only enjoyment they could find, to escape from their daily drudgery. and of course sex and producing children. plenty of children. _________________ please do not believe what i said, serious. wu yong Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 8:39 pm lazybum Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 1975 Location: Singapore sometime/other part of the world sometime Hi Lai, you seen to base our success mainly due to LKY and PAP, and the problems is due to fact that GCT cannot solve it, but I tend to disagree with u on this, I just cut and paste on one of my mail from other place and make some ammendment to it, sorry lah, lazy to retype everythings. I dun deny that LKY did make couple of right choice/decision during his time, but if you see the whole picture, the development of Singapore is more like at the right place at the right time. Looking back into the 60-90, it is the cold war era, the world is divided into 2 camp, the pro-west and the communist, thus both is trying to exert their influence around the 3rd world and with a higher conflict possible in the asia-pacific zone. For the west, Singapore is consider to be pro-west country so they will simply invest and help to subtain us to suit their purpose. If you look around mots of the asia-pacific countries during this period that are being term as pro-west (Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Singapore) all had develped with the assistance of the west which of course it is only to suit their own end. Many can argue the Singapore is a fishing village which is not true during the 60, we are consider more or less a small city during that time. Taiwan, one can aruge that KMT had bring in many of the the resource from Mainland China when they go to Taiwan. But how abt Japan and South Korea, South Korea is a war-torn nation after the korean war and Japan might be slight better shape after the world war 2, but yet both nations grow. It is just simply that a stable nation will prevent communist to take power and thus it suit the need of west. Thus the growth of Singapore is mainly due to the right time and the right place. While Japan/Korea/Taiwan take this chances to build their own industries, Singapore leader lack the forsight. I dun think I need to name the well known company that belong to this 3 nations to proof my pts. Of course with the end of cold war, the focus change and we are leave to our own, which we are not prepared for it. Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 10:56 pm sae_0203 Princess Ambrosia   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2398 Location: NE, Singapore Quote: haha panpan, my pc was down last night so did not come into the site. ya, pillow talk over a few puffs. that's what my pa and ma used to do then. each one laid on one side of the lamp, rolling the opium on the little porcelain cup and sharing the same opium pipe. the poor workers imitating the lifestyle of the decadent mandarins of the manchu dynasty. one day i will teach you how to boil the raw opium and prepare the pipe for a good opium draw, like a good husband and a good wife. to the poor folks, opium is practically the only enjoyment they could find, to escape from their daily drudgery. and of course sex and producing children. plenty of children. opium need to boil one meh? Hmm u mean like the tv show one huh? put on aluminum foil then use lighter burn it till it become liquid then use the ?sting? to pull in the liquid and then go inject into oneself? Okie, but where to get the opium huh? Can use Johnson n Johnson baby powder? Keke? _________________ Out of cluster, we can find simplicity and, in the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 8:41 am redbean Platinium Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 728 the raw opium needs to be processed, ie boiled. these are old habits. the new opium no need boiling. comes in different forms. :wink: _________________ please do not believe what i said, serious. wu yong Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 11:55 am sae_0203 Princess Ambrosia   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2398 Location: NE, Singapore really? teach me more _________________ Out of cluster, we can find simplicity and, in the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 12:00 pm redbean Platinium Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 728 hey panpan, this is a vanishing trade. to be confined in the museum. just like making rice wine at home. cannot teach you to become opium pusher lah. afterwards end up in changi. _________________ please do not believe what i said, serious. wu yong Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 10:12 pm Lai CF Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2600 Location: Singapore redbean wrote: hey panpan, this is a vanishing trade. to be confined in the museum. just like making rice wine at home. cannot teach you to become opium pusher lah. afterwards end up in changi. yeah, rememebr those sweet rice wine. First, you fried all those glutinous rice. Then, you mixed in those yeast, I think, you purchased from the local sin-seh??? Put all into those CHina-make earthen jar...sealed it and let it fermented. Upon birth of the child, it is given to the mother to drink....guess it must be rich in iron...as it is to restore the blood...correct isn't it Redbean? Of course, us youngster got to steal teh gregs and eat 'em...delicious and pretty sweet. Oh yes, those ginger, trotter and vinegar....if cooked properly with teh just right tenderness..not too soft, not too chewy,..it is heavenly sweet, sour and just melt in your mouth. Another know of best trotters in vinegar in Singapore? Meizhou is only so-so.. But I thought that Hakka restaurant at Sembawang Hills is good....but still cannot match home-make. For seame and almond paste soup,...well the enarest to home-make quality is Ye Gui at Smith Street.....S$1.00 per bowl......but there is another stall at Golden SHoe Multi-story Carpark at Market Street which is pretty good..not too sweet and pricey at S$1.50 per bowl. Order in Cantonese "hak pak" (Black and white)....a nice mixture of almond and sesame paste soup............Delicious!!!! Wednesday morning....walking along Maxwell Road, looking for Keong Saik Street as "recommended" by PatGoh.... ....a bit blurred, make a wrong turning and ended up in Tanjong Pagar Road!!!! Discovered this Christain Book Store: - BGST LIbrary 31, Tanjong Pagar Road #01-01 (Mon-Fri 9am - 6pm...8pm - 10pm reading only) (Sat - 9am - 6pm..I think..) Strongly recommended you pick up this paperback (S$23): Max Depree - "Leadership is an Art". _________________ AT the end of it all....wu wei Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 10:55 pm alpha Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 1902 Location: Utopia Lai CF wrote: "Leadership is an Art" The whole business of man is The Arts, & all things common. Industry without art is brutality. _________________ Insight comes from the realisation that observation is going on without an observer, witnessing without a witness. Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 11:01 pm Lai CF Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2600 Location: Singapore lazybum wrote: Hi Lai, you seen to base our success mainly due to LKY and PAP, and the problems is due to fact that GCT cannot solve it, but I tend to disagree with u on this, I just cut and paste on one of my mail from other place and make some ammendment to it, sorry lah, lazy to retype everythings. I dun deny that LKY did make couple of right choice/decision during his time, but if you see the whole picture, the development of Singapore is more like at the right place at the right time. Looking back into the 60-90, it is the cold war era, the world is divided into 2 camp, the pro-west and the communist, thus both is trying to exert their influence around the 3rd world and with a higher conflict possible in the asia-pacific zone. . hi Lazy, my apology for getting back to you so late. Had been indulging myself at YPAP Forum and Peasant Tea hOuse and forgot to come home. Best regard to Yamato-san and I will give Yamato a big fat kiss if I am convinced "she" is a "she with nothing dangling".... Anyway, you are wrong that Singapore was at the right place, at the right time in the 60's and 70's....plus the Vision of the Old Guards. It is useless to be "at the right place, at the right time" when you do not have a Visionary and the Old Guards to grasp those economic opportunities present at that time.....and of course, that superb Dr. Simon Weisemius which help to charter the future of SIngapore as well. As late as the 60's, LKY was condemned as a commie by USA and somewhat, LKY managed to reverse gear and got into the good books of the Americans in the 70's. But LKY best masterstroke was to "forgive" Japan for their war crimes adn did not demand compensations, but instead, seek Japanese foreign aids and techncial assistances. It was this matter that the grateful Japanese MNC started to pour in theri investments into Singapore. I remembered vividly that LKY launches one of his "Study Foreign Language" Craze and overnight, Japanese language schools were spouting like mushrooms all over Singapore. Today, Japanese expat still form the largest expat community in SIngapore. I remmebered having dinner at the Japanese Club, I think it was in Newton or is it at Whitley Road, in 1976. My first taste of sashimi and sake. But in reality, without the Vietnam War, SIngapore will never industrialise and will not be able to attract investment from Esso and Mobil which came to SIngapore in the 60's and 70's.....not forgetting all those American electronic assembly and production firms setting up in SIngapore. I guess that it is SIngapore closed relationship with UK that convinced the Americans to take another look at Singapore. WHy should they come to SIngapore when they are so "settled" in Philippines with their gigantic SUbic Bay and CLark Airbase? Guess we will never know what "secret deal" had LKY struck with McNamara in the 70's isn't it? Remember, SIngapore was still a member of Socialist International and still consider "leftist". lazybum wrote: For the west, Singapore is consider to be pro-west country so they will simply invest and help to subtain us to suit their purpose. If you look around mots of the asia-pacific countries during this period that are being term as pro-west (Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Singapore) all had develped with the assistance of the west which of course it is only to suit their own end. Many can argue the Singapore is a fishing village which is not true during the 60, we are consider more or less a small city during that time. Taiwan, one can aruge that KMT had bring in many of the the resource from Mainland China when they go to Taiwan. But how abt Japan and South Korea, South Korea is a war-torn nation after the korean war and Japan might be slight better shape after the world war 2, but yet both nations grow. It is just simply that a stable nation will prevent communist to take power and thus it suit the need of west. . Two different scenario. LKY and the Old Guards decided to seek MNC to grow wealth and seek foreign investments..FDI. Whereas during that time, developing ountries like India, Burma, Indonesia, etc were very much into self-reliance and distrust the West, nationalise everything and turn inward. SIngapore was pretty open, speak English and welcome all foreign businesses from all nations, America, Russia, Middle East, Israel, China, etc......that is, our openness gave us a tremendous advantage in attracting MNC...we are like a one-eyed man competing with the Blind....we wins hands down in attracting foreign MNC. ANd of course, in those early days, the Old Guards imposed salary controlled as well..e.g. Production Operator - about S$50 pm DIploma Holder - S$450 pm SU graduate - S$900 pm. At that time, LKY was crowing to all and sundry and basking in the accodales from teh West that his system is correct...and laissez faire of Taiwan and Hong Kong is inferior to Singapore Way? See...we are superior as HK$ deprecaited against S$ from S$1 = 2 HK$ to S$1 = HL$4. "What goes round always come around": Hell Angel Motto. And now in the 21st Century...we are talking about creating entreprenuer, innovators, creativiteness, risk taking......and that was exactly what the Hong Konger and Taiwanese were doing in the 60's and 70's!!!! We are actually 30 years behind them...starting in the 70's!!!! Well, just recalled this joke: A Hong Konger will grab the Contract first..and then think how to fulfil the contract later. A SIngaporean will engage legions of lawyers and financial analysts to calculate the risk and legality before cosnider signing the COntract. By the time they had completed the risk analysis, teh contract had been awarded with the project completed. In Hong Kong, with no CPF, with no job security, to be become an entrepreneur and businessman, tos tart one's own business is every one dream to make it big. In SIngapore, every graduate aspires to enter Civil Service and get a cushy job and work its way up, safe and sound. And Government was creaming the cream of the crop for tehir Adminsitrative Services. And the Private Sector was also howling on the lack oft alents in SIngapore and needed to import expat to man their operations here. Simply that LKY was so obsessed with Meritocracy and Eugenics that a class of Mandarinate was formed on the model of Imperial China...so much for LKY Confuciant Society. And LKY wore this tag proudly so much that the Taiwanese were laughing behind LKY's back and snide: "How can it be a Confuciant Society when it is being implemented by an English-educated and English-speaking Elite, without beng submerged in a Confucaint Society?" Now, Taiwan was pretty lucky as its oversea graduates loved and are proud of their Motherland. And theyreturned in droves to drive Taiwan to what it is today. Similar for the Korean. Now it is the turn of Mainalnd CHinese. Japanese? In a class of its own and is unique as a homogeneous society. Singapore? Cannot happen. One - it is a smallish city-state and has reached its limit of growth due to physical constraints, as well as populaiton cosntraints. It will go teh way of Monaco or Vatican City....and its hope of survival depends on integration within ASEAN or economic integrationw ith Malaysia. This may only happen after the passing away of LKY. Pride and ego will not allow it to happen within his lifetime. Two - Taiwan and Korea are bona fide country, a nation where citizen are proud of Motherland. it is a rarity of Singaporeans who will return from their cushy life in the West. Generally, I would said that we lack that core groups of Singaporeans expat that will return like those Taiwanese and Korean who will drive SIngapore into an advanced technological nation. I can't see this happening with the present bunch of PAP politicians...who see beyond their noses in their bid to retain political power, which stultify the growth of freedom of expression which begets citizen with initaitive, innovative and creativeness. This is the main grouse and abysmal failure of LKY in his obsession to maintain an iron-grip on political power in SIngapore. As he was borned during an era of chaos, so was his belief nurtured and harden to without political control, there will be on stability in SIngapore. If you had liver thru' teh 50's, 60's and 70's, you will tend to follow this LKY Belief. But this is the 21st Century with Inetrnet and worldwide info available at the click of a mouse. WHy do PM Goh and PM Lee still uphold this PM LKY Belief formulated during the tumultous period in PAP battle within and without with Barisan Socialis? Then, it is also a failure of PM Goh being a mere seat-warmer, the Smiling PR Face of teh still suthoritarian Old Guards, the power behind the thron during the 90's? lazybum wrote: Thus the growth of Singapore is mainly due to the right time and the right place. While Japan/Korea/Taiwan take this chances to build their own industries, Singapore leader lack the forsight. I dun think I need to name the well known company that belong to this 3 nations to proof my pts. Of course with the end of cold war, the focus change and we are leave to our own, which we are not prepared for it. It is not the end of the Cold War that is the downfall fo SIngapore, it is the slavishly adhesive to Old Guards' Policy of the 70's by PM Goh that make SIngapore to what it is today. LKY and Old Guards had formulated a policy of MNC and basing on 1978 French Government Report, w ehad identified the Industries of the Future. Our neighbours had yet to be woken up on this as they were too engrossed with their domestic political instablities and struggles. SIngapore surged ahead int eh 80's with hi-tech, IT, electronics, biotechnology,precision engineering, marindinustry, oil and gas, fne chemicals with Sumitomo Petrochemical Complex. We decided to be a financial and banking hub..ahead of our competitors as well. We got hit by teh 80's recession,..and after we emerged from teh economic doldrums under BG Lee Economic Reformed Policies, PM Lee handed over the rein of power to PM Goh. Yes, he was the right man at the right time to consolidate the rapid growth of teh 70's and 80's. That is, we need a breather to consolidate our growth...in readiness for the next spring forward. That si where PM GOh greatest failure to develop our TWO external wings. PM Goh said: "We need to build a regional wing to growth SIngapore Economy. But we also need a Global Wing as both will not experience slowdown simultaneously." Well, we know what happen isn't it...Gulf War, '97 Asia Financial Crisis, 9/11, SARS, Bali Bombing, Bird Flu....etc. That is, SIngapore Economy lacks depth and strong foundation, unable to take so many shocks in a such a shorter period of time that we collapsed and emergency measures were forcefully put in place to restructure.....and Singapore returned back to the 70's.....low pay, low CPF, employment uncertainty, an uncertain future as to whether SIngapore Economy will recover or not. That greatest failure is because PM Goh is so dependable on our GLC to grow SIngapore Regional and Global Economy. But, then, how it be be when you put senior civil servants to man, and expect them to turn overnight into entreprenuers, and think like risk-taking HK or Taiwanese Businessmen? Like LKY, PM Goh believed that superior academic results and a distinguished academic achievement equate brilliant mind equate brilliant corporate head honcho which will turn GLC into world beaters and we will acgieve Swiss 1999 Standard of Livings by 2010???? Therefore PM Goh is an abysmal failure as: - He failed to continue the Old Guards Policy to develop GLC to enable SIngapore to have two external wings, namely regional business and global business. - He upholds Meritocracy and equate brilliant academic achievements with brilliant entrepreneurship........failing to understand the nature of entreprenuers as in HK, China and Korea...that is, what makes them tick and why SIngapore cannot produce them. - We let our leads and advantages over our neighbours slipped, forgetting that they can, and will copy, our route-maps to Success, improve on it and bring the full weight of their natural resources to bear, to overtake SIngapore as it is today. - That is, PM Goh Regime is simply too short-sighted, too dogmatic, an efficent Chief Operating Executive Director only, but never the Visionary Chairman that drives SIngapore to developed status with its own regional and global MNC to create wealth and employment for SIngaporeans. - Isn't it telling that there is no Grand Vision of 1978 during PM Goh Regime.....and we are still waiting fro one in this PM Lee Regime? We are what we are today is due to PM Goh Regime, a decade of wastefulness and wasted opportunities.....and we need a Visionary to kick-satrt SIngapore again??? PM Lee a Visionary.....but he is a trained mathematicians, strictly followed logic, dogmatic, and his New Team.......where is teh talent as all of 'em seems to "followers' never risk takers...no charisma merely drones and as soulless as typical bureaucrats. How go is PM Lee? We will only know when MM passed away and SM retired to write his memoirs. Then, will there be still a SIngapore? And this Tripartite gives life and real meaning to the 80's Political Joke of: THe Holy Trinity - The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghoul. cheers Lazy, have a safe and pleasant weekend, Or Tom Watson Jr Biography: Father, Son and Company. _________________ AT the end of it all....wu wei Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 2:15 am lazybum Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 1975 Location: Singapore sometime/other part of the world sometime Quote: It is useless to be "at the right place, at the right time" when you do not have a Visionary and the Old Guards to grasp those economic opportunities present at that time.....and of course, that superb Dr. Simon Weisemius which help to charter the future of SIngapore as well. When mention at the right place, at the right time, it couple with a few right decision, that are what happened to South Korea/Japan/Taiwan which are firmly behind the US, if more prove is needed, just go through the record of what happen to this 3 nation, after ww2, Japan unemployment is more than 50%, thousands died due to a lack of med/food/water supply. Similar in the case of Taiwan when the KMT retreated to Taiwan and the end of Korea War (crease fire). Yet all had rapid growth from 70-90 (the cold war era 45-91). Are u simply indicating that all the nations that growth during this period and leader with great Vision. During this time Philipiness/Thailand/most pro west countries around the world did enjoy rapid growth, it simply can't be more than 50% of the world leader had great vision. Quote: As late as the 60's, LKY was condemned as a commie by USA and somewhat, LKY managed to reverse gear and got into the good books of the Americans in the 70's. Quote: I guess that it is SIngapore closed relationship with UK that convinced the Americans to take another look at Singapore. WHy should they come to SIngapore when they are so "settled" in Philippines with their gigantic SUbic Bay and CLark Airbase? LYK was never a commie, he use the commie to seek power and once in power, he turn against them, the shutting down of the old NTU is a good example as many of the commie leaders are from there, even our passport are not valid in the commie countries until the late 80. For question of why US decided to invest in Singaore, it is due to the theory of "domino theory" which they believe that after Vietnam war, communist will spread uncheck in S.E.A. Thus to US is force to focus their interst in Singapore as the location itself ctrl the sea lane btw Indian Ocean and South China Sea. Same reason that why US fought the vietnam and korean war. Quote: One - it is a smallish city-state and has reached its limit of growth due to physical constraints, as well as populaiton cosntraints. It will go teh way of Monaco or Vatican City....and its hope of survival depends on integration within ASEAN or economic integrationw ith Malaysia. This may only happen after the passing away of LKY. Pride and ego will not allow it to happen within his lifetime. U term that once a nation without natural resouce it growth will be constraints but I beg different, countries like swiss/finland/sweden do not had any natural resources and to make things worst, they ppl are also not more than us by a lot. It is their ability to build by their industris that bring them to this state now. Unlike singapore, most local biz are kill of by MMC and GLC which prevent them any chances to grow. This is the policy and Vision that are set up which is killing us off. I read a statement written in the other forums "Today problem is yesterday solution" it is due to the fact that they are unable to forseen what is going to happen that cause our downfall. If the era of LKY had start to build our SMC into MMC, by now we will have many well known industries around the world that can substained us for the next 50 years. Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 9:25 pm perrin99 New Member   Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 16 Nice recollection, Mr Lai. I would like to hear more about your experiences at the Dockyard, especially wrt the unions there. Were you part of a union then? Unfortunately you started work there too late to experience the exciting politics there. 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