Find Singapore.Net Forum Index » Singapore Issues » No changes to upgrading policy!! Goto page 1, 2  Next    View previous topic :: View next topic  No changes to upgrading policy!! Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:27 am servant Moderator   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 4590 Location: kopi tiams Greetings! So the Drunken Master Chief hath said, there shalt be NO CHANGES to the gahmen's upgrading policy...PERIOD! This came to pass even after PM Lee hath admitted that the scare tactics did not work and said that the PAP would have to review its strategy in the opposition wards! Master Drunken also said that Gahmen surplus is for PAP wards only, but opposition wards will get their turn by 2015 latest. So he is giving those 2 wards a chance to change their minds by the next election 2011?? haha he must be thinking everyone in Potong Pasir and Hougang is an ID 10 T?? OOps servants at kopi tiams think the Drunken Master forgot to mention that the 2 opposition wards need not pay taxes which help build gahmen surpluses in the first place...hehe! Strange...some people never learn!! Be bless! _________________ "ONLY HEAR THE GOOD STUFF" : Sinkapo Poh Ko Tian Tai aka Radio TCSS!! [Talk Cock Sing Song] Re: No changes to upgrading policy!! Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:33 am robertteh Platinium Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 818 Location: singland servant wrote: Greetings! So the Drunken Master Chief hath said, there shall be NO CHANGES to the gahmen's upgrading policy...PERIOD! This even after PM Lee had admitted that the scare tactics did not work and said that the PAP would have to review its strategy in the opposition wards! Master Drunken also said that Gahmen surplus is for PAP wards only, but opposition wards will get their turn by 2015 latest. So he is giving those 2 wards a chance to change their minds by the next election 2011?? haha he must be thinking everyone in Potong Pasir and Hougang is an ID 10 T?? OOps servants at kopi tiams think the Drunken Master forgot to mention that the 2 opposition wards need not pay taxes which help build gahmen surpluses in the first place...hehe! Strange...some people never learn!! Be bless! The ministers would tell the citizens in their meet-the-people sessions that they are fair and they practise no discrimination on race, religion, creeds or political beliefs. Now they can say to the citizens in these meet-the-people sessions that the national pledge about one-people-one-nation and staying together moving ahead means : "vote PAP" so that they will get to be served first and have their estate upgrading done first. They can tell their citizens that the constitution has spelt out their rights and not to worry as they will have equality of rights and there will be no discrimination based on race, sex, status or political belief etc. Now in view of the latest policy of the government it means we have two types of citizens - one group who voted for ruling party who will get their estate upgrading without delay and another group who may not get upgrading that soon but will get their upgrading anyway. That means the group that belong to the 33.3 % who did not vote for the ruling party will have to come up with their own upgrading plan so as not to fall into delays or have some reason stated for not upgrading such as "too physically difficult but not impossible to upgrade due to design of the block. The second group of citizens may have to look after their interest such as lobbying to pay their taxes or service and conservancy charges to town council last since they will get upgrading last. But they must like Minister Mah has said pay the tax exce=pt that they will pay last. Last edited by robertteh on Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:43 pm; edited 1 time in total _________________ Author of Objective-steps Mgt Sys (computerized call centre processing) http://www.managefranchise.blogspot.com http://www.ospforohsopolite.blogspot.com http://www.politicaldiscussions.blogspot.com Re: No changes to upgrading policy!! Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:05 pm servant Moderator   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 4590 Location: kopi tiams robertteh wrote: Now citizens will probably have to come up with their own policies since the constitution and national pledge is so interpreted : whoever is given the upgrading pays the tax first whoever is upgraded last pay the tax last but all must pay tax. Greetings Master Robert servant thinks this is good idea, but how to make ID 10 Ts listen?? haha In the USA servants openly declare their support of whatever political party. For example you can find even celebrities stating openly that they are either Republicans or Democrats. That is...First World Maybe gahmen is telling us we are NOT YET FIRST WORLD? But then again, the RULER himself hath said that we are?!! ayah confusing hor?? Maybe HE shud convince the entire cabinet first?? haha Be bless! _________________ "ONLY HEAR THE GOOD STUFF" : Sinkapo Poh Ko Tian Tai aka Radio TCSS!! [Talk Cock Sing Song] Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:14 pm mike2000 Ordinary Member   Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 78 Just read this morning the papers on this article. The PAP govt made the money and it serves first those voted for PAP. How can they do that?? From the election results from constitutencies out of every 100 voters only 66 say 67 voted for PAP. Are they saying 33 voters didn't vote don't get upgrading on priority. What about the 33+ per cent who voted for PAP in PP and HG? What type of rational is this. Is he worth his salt?? Maybe they are going to look at every voting slip to find out!!! No wonder there are so many comments on the web Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:59 pm agc123 New Member   Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 20 Think of it general guide line issuch that need 75% of resident said "YES" for upgrading, but the GE2006 show that only "67%" of peopole said "YES" to them. Hence result should be "NO" upgrading till GE2011. Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:01 pm playtime New Member   Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 16 This is simply corrupt... no ifs or buts. If the govt is so sure of what the "people wants" as they always claim, put it to a referendum to see if citizens agree that the govt can pick and choose to serve citizens by openly blurring national and party priorities. This is a govt of national division, not unity. And it has played it this way for the past decades. Thats why singaporeans are often by and large secretly ashamed of their country. Thats why even though we are a rich country, you will never see singaporeans display the kind of love and passion for singapore that the Thais, Philipinos, Indos display for theirs. You will also never see the kind of committment from our NS men that those from Isreal, Turkey, Swiss etc display for theirs. People know/feel that the country is not theirs. And we can all thank the PAP govt for it. Re: No changes to upgrading policy!! Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:46 pm glockman Ordinary Member   Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 70 Yes sireebob! Here we go again, the same old shit again... I hope the PAPa loyalists in our population will wise up in time for 2011 (cos they sure blew it this year!). Aren't they sick and tired of the same old rhetorics? Don't they know the PAPa does whatever it wants, whenever it wants? To hell with the people!! servant wrote: Greetings! So the Drunken Master Chief hath said, there shalt be NO CHANGES to the gahmen's upgrading policy...PERIOD! This came to pass even after PM Lee hath admitted that the scare tactics did not work and said that the PAP would have to review its strategy in the opposition wards! Master Drunken also said that Gahmen surplus is for PAP wards only, but opposition wards will get their turn by 2015 latest. So he is giving those 2 wards a chance to change their minds by the next election 2011?? haha he must be thinking everyone in Potong Pasir and Hougang is an ID 10 T?? OOps servants at kopi tiams think the Drunken Master forgot to mention that the 2 opposition wards need not pay taxes which help build gahmen surpluses in the first place...hehe! Strange...some people never learn!! Be bless! Re: No changes to upgrading policy!! Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:20 am ah peh Gold Member   Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Posts: 348 Location: Near the cemetry servant wrote: Greetings! So the Drunken Master Chief hath said, there shalt be NO CHANGES to the gahmen's upgrading policy...PERIOD! This came to pass even after PM Lee hath admitted that the scare tactics did not work and said that the PAP would have to review its strategy in the opposition wards! Master Drunken also said that Gahmen surplus is for PAP wards only, but opposition wards will get their turn by 2015 latest. So he is giving those 2 wards a chance to change their minds by the next election 2011?? haha he must be thinking everyone in Potong Pasir and Hougang is an ID 10 T?? OOps servants at kopi tiams think the Drunken Master forgot to mention that the 2 opposition wards need not pay taxes which help build gahmen surpluses in the first place...hehe! Strange...some people never learn!! Be bless! Ah Peh from the coffee shop has read somewhere long ago, during school days, that Hardcore Communists are Hardcore Communists; they are very difficult to break and very difficult to change ....... _________________ Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burnt. Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:44 pm Rio Silver Member   Joined: 15 May 2006 Posts: 225 mike2000 wrote: Just read this morning the papers on this article. The PAP govt made the money and it serves first those voted for PAP. How can they do that?? From the election results from constitutencies out of every 100 voters only 66 say 67 voted for PAP. Are they saying 33 voters didn't vote don't get upgrading on priority. What about the 33+ per cent who voted for PAP in PP and HG? What type of rational is this. Is he worth his salt?? Maybe they are going to look at every voting slip to find out!!! No wonder there are so many comments on the web Hold It!!! They have the gumption to say they make the money and they bloody well can choose how they are want to spend it??? What the hell do they mean??? This is our nation and we swim or sink together. What about those residents in Hougang and PP?? Some of them voted for PAP too? Is it bad luck for them that they are living in those wards?? I feel so ashamed to have a leader who has such a shallow mind and who consider those who did not vote for PAP as pariahs. This shows that some of our leaders still have the third world mentality and governing what they claim to be a first world nation. Is it not the time for the PAP government to lead our nation by example? What are the ideals for which LHL exhorted after the elections? Are those empty promises that he has made? If we are to be united as one people, there should not be remarks made by Ministers like Mah Bow Tan. Shame on you!! _________________ It isn't a mistake to have strong views. The mistake is to have none......Anthony Weston Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:18 pm Lai CF Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2599 Location: Singapore You all missed the main gist of his argument. He needs to take care of 800 no. HDB blocks in PAP Precincts first. Then, he will consider that 130 no. HDB blocks in Potong Pasir and Hougang later. Look at the other side of the coin. 66.6% had voted for PAP in expectation of HDB upgrading. SO, why shouldn't they be served first as after all they had voted PAP. Then, Potong Pasir and Hougang residents can always complained to their MP and let their MP presented a STRONG CASE as to why they should be ahead of the queue of other MORE deserving PAP precincts. Really....all your whinings over here is like you all admitted DEFEAT before even you all even take the very first step to battle PAP over the perception of thsi unfairness of this LUP Policy. hey, where are all your facts and figures? Where are all your data to prove beyond reasonable doubt that indeed PAP is biased and misused People's MOney to promote their own political agenda. Therefore, if SLyvia Lim, CST, LTK, et al wish to fight the good fight, then start fighting and stop having a defeatist attitude even before striking the first blow. Sure, sure, Slyvia Lim's protestations were published in The Straits Times. That is all she and WP can do? And WP just sit down, twiddle their thumbs and lamented: "What more can we do? They are controlling the money and they pass the laws as well..... " That's all from the Oppostion aspiring to be an ALTERNATIVE POLITICAL PARTY in readiness to assume the Reins of Power?.... _________________ AT the end of it all....wu wei Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:06 am mike2000 Ordinary Member   Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 78 Lai CF wrote: You all missed the main gist of his argument. He needs to take care of 800 no. HDB blocks in PAP Precincts first. Then, he will consider that 130 no. HDB blocks in Potong Pasir and Hougang later. Look at the other side of the coin. 66.6% had voted for PAP in expectation of HDB upgrading. SO, why shouldn't they be served first as after all they had voted PAP. Then, Potong Pasir and Hougang residents can always complained to their MP and let their MP presented a STRONG CASE as to why they should be ahead of the queue of other MORE deserving PAP precincts. u missed the points! There were PAP voters at PP and HG. Should they continue to support the PAP anymore On the other hand there were WP voters at Aljunied or other PAP won constituencies. They can continue to enjoy the benefits and vote who they want When someone opens his mouth and said things like this....... Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:10 am Rio Silver Member   Joined: 15 May 2006 Posts: 225 Uncle Lai, You wrote: Quote: 66.6% had voted for PAP in expectation of HDB upgrading. SO, why shouldn't they be served first as after all they had voted PAP. That is how you derived at 66.6%? Meaning that figure do not take into account those that voted for the PAP in hougang and potong pasir? Quote: Really....all your whinings over here is like you all admitted DEFEAT before even you all even take the very first step to battle PAP over the perception of thsi unfairness of this LUP Policy. hey, where are all your facts and figures? Where are all your data to prove beyond reasonable doubt that indeed PAP is biased and misused People's MOney to promote their own political agenda Is there any admittance of defeat in this thread? I doubt it. I believe in our own small way we all do contribute to voicing our concerns over injustices and unpopular policies that affects us personally and to our fellow Singaporeans. I guess if I consider myself as capable or better than those in the AP, I would join them and play a bigger role than just "whine". On the other hand I hope you are not pointing fingers because in this cyber world, there are many who are actually physically involved in putting the message to the government in the real world. This forum as well as many, including bloggers like Gayle Goh, Mr. Brown, Littlespeck, yawningbread to name a few, have contributed much although it seems they may also be whining too. Do you think facts and figures count (pun unintended) for a lot with the PAP. If 66.6% is a strong mandate by the people, what figures can help you in your arguement. Even when the AP ask for figures from HDB, Mah Bow Tan told HDB not to entertain them as they are just fishing. We all cannot be nor afford to be like JB Jeyaratnam or Dr. Chee pitting ourselves against the windmill. My only hope will be to have opposition members in Parliament like Sylvia Lim because she has similar or even better credentials than some of the PAP MPs. In fact should any one of the PAP MPs decide to join an AP, I doubt there is one I would consider good enough i.e. if he/she decides to be an AP, I am sure her reputation will turn to shreds by LKY. May be that could be the reason no PAP member ever change loyalty. To be able to go toe to toe with LKY and the enormous power of the PAP on a single policy, one needs as you state to be armed with facts and figures. Even then it will not help as they will put you through the grinding mill, use strong-armed scare tactics, etc to dissaude and stop you from going any further. Does Catherine Lim and JB Jeyaratnam ring a bell? I supposed through forums like these when thousands are yelling and screamong Unfair! Unfair! then amongst these or from elsewhere, will there be someone who have all the attributes to be an AP representative decide to come forward and be counted. Someone with the intellect and ability to engage the Lees and battle them on their own terms. So far of what I have seen from the WP since the last GE, they are on the right track and I hope they will be able to get more good calibre members in order to contest all the seats come the next GE. So Uncle Lai, is it not better to whine and tell your owner you are not comfortable or just keep quiet and pretend to sleep as though all is well? Maybe if one whines a lot, someone nice will come along and help you. Cheers _________________ It isn't a mistake to have strong views. The mistake is to have none......Anthony Weston Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:45 am servant Moderator   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 4590 Location: kopi tiams Lai CF wrote: You all missed the main gist of his argument. He needs to take care of 800 no. HDB blocks in PAP Precincts first. Then, he will consider that 130 no. HDB blocks in Potong Pasir and Hougang later. : Greetings Master Lai servant got strange feeling you hav changed. Is it the result of your call up for "tea"?? haha Basically, fundamentally, theoretically, humanly, logically, rightfully...THERE IS NO GAHMEN MONEY, ONLY TAXPAYER'S MONEY! Be bless! _________________ "ONLY HEAR THE GOOD STUFF" : Sinkapo Poh Ko Tian Tai aka Radio TCSS!! [Talk Cock Sing Song] Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:16 am ah peh Gold Member   Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Posts: 348 Location: Near the cemetry servant wrote: Lai CF wrote: You all missed the main gist of his argument. He needs to take care of 800 no. HDB blocks in PAP Precincts first. Then, he will consider that 130 no. HDB blocks in Potong Pasir and Hougang later. : Greetings Master Lai servant got strange feeling you hav changed. Is it the result of your call up for "tea"?? haha Basically, fundamentally, theoretically, humanly, logically, rightfully...THERE IS NO GAHMEN MONEY, ONLY TAXPAYER'S MONEY! Be bless! Greetings Master Servant, Ah Peh from the coffee shop thinks he has not changed. He is just revealing his true color one more time. I had pointed that out once before, if you remember. Can you also remember that he was talking about people being faceless in the forums, and he likes to anyhow shoot, switching sides and so on? I won't bother with trying to win him over. Most probably he has made up his mind to be one of them. Anyway, people who keep switching sides are very dangerous ....... That is how I feel and think, though someone may prove me wrong ........ _________________ Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burnt. Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:19 pm agc123 New Member   Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 20 This is just my little though, LUP should work on some kind of priority system: let said there are 100 blocks per area and there are 100 areas. let said it take 10 years to upgrade all, so 1000 blocks upgrade per year. so each area giving 10 blocks sleceted per year. 1. fair priority queue system Every year 10 blocks from each area put into a draw to determine which area done first. 2. Not fair system In first two years, the 2000 blocks are given to ruling party areas, they decide which areas will be upgraded. In 3rd year, 20 blocks will be allocated to the HG and PP. this cycle continue till all ruling party areas are upgraded. Then ramining slot will be given to HG and PP. 3. No priority system. Ii is up to MBT to said when will be upgraing given to HG and PP. No promise even by year 2015... In any way, a time table must be post in MND web site. Otherwise will be NATO... Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:34 pm Lai CF Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2599 Location: Singapore mike2000 wrote: u missed the points! There were PAP voters at PP and HG. Should they continue to support the PAP anymore On the other hand there were WP voters at Aljunied or other PAP won constituencies. They can continue to enjoy the benefits and vote who they want When someone opens his mouth and said things like this....... This Westminster Parliamentary System at play.....first passed the post wins all. What do you want Mike? Like Goh Meng Seng proposed - Proportionate Representation. That is, those precincts that vote overwhelming PAP, say 80%, will get to upgrade first at Aljunied GRC. You want that? LUP is "pork-barrel" politics..it is that simple, and practises all over the world, including that Bastion of Liberalism & Democarcy...America. With lots and lots and lots of "tag-ons" in any Bills. WHat has fairness got to do with politics? Might is Right. Oppose me, I shall destroy you utterly. Obey me, I shall feed you. My point is the ineptness of Slyvia Lim and WP, which has yet to come out with an effective strategy to counter PAP "Pork Barrel Politics". And of course, you need facts and figures to demolish PAP's contention that it is "fair". You read my postings on other thread as to why those HDB blocks at Bishan Street 11/13 were "LUP" upgraded before Toa Payoh Loorng 8 and Potong Pasir? WHy Toa Payoh Lorong 7 Block 1 to 5 and 10 to 15 were "MUP" upgraded in early 90's? That is, for WP to evolve into Alternative Political Party, they need FULL-TIME politicians and full-time R&D Dept to challenge PAP, which is vulnerable now due to ageing Old Guards and a hesitant Lee Hsien Loong. "They can continue to enjoy the benefits and vote who they want.." Ask yourself: PAP had written off 20% which is invariable anti-PAP; and by your self-defeating statement, it infers that WP can never win over that 31% needed to win against PAP. Therefore, why should the Electorate supports WP where they admitted defeat before even approaching the starting line? At PP and HG, who supports WP and who supports PAP? You ever consider that statment "Giving enough rope to hang oneself"? Isn't that is what PAP is doing to CST and LTK? And CST had just done that by turning into a suspicious old man that can't even keep his Alliance from fragmenting, and had fallen into that honey-trap of PAP by turning into: Macham kaka di-bawah tempurong. That is, the one and only political world of CST is Potong Pasir, nothing more, nothing less. And you call that Opposition....which had been given Lee Kuan Yew's Seal of Approval "acceptable Opposiiton in Singapore"? Take off your rosy-tinted glasses and look clearly at LTK, Slyvia Lim and WP......and ask: Are they the acceptable face of Opposition in Singpaore as endorsed by Lee Kuan Yew? _________________ AT the end of it all....wu wei Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:49 pm Lai CF Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2599 Location: Singapore servant wrote: Lai CF wrote: You all missed the main gist of his argument. He needs to take care of 800 no. HDB blocks in PAP Precincts first. Then, he will consider that 130 no. HDB blocks in Potong Pasir and Hougang later. : Greetings Master Lai servant got strange feeling you hav changed. Is it the result of your call up for "tea"?? haha Basically, fundamentally, theoretically, humanly, logically, rightfully...THERE IS NO GAHMEN MONEY, ONLY TAXPAYER'S MONEY! Be bless! Apology for late reply. Just got back from Malaysia. It is called Devil Advocacy and my attempt to ask you and of similar bend to take off your rosy-tinted glasses after that euphoria of GE2006. It is virtually 99% anti-PAP here and I prefer to function as the "alternative view" here, to present the other side to all the anti-PAP arguments over here. I am cynical that you all had been setup nicely for the "Fall". What make you think that Slyvia LIm and WP are of the calibre that will make a difference and will not end-up as Lee Kuan Yew's "..my kind of Opposition"? Think carefully...what had LTK and CST achieved in Parliament, by presenting an alternative views, by attacking the MUP and LUP programmes? Are they too cautious, fearing to antogonise PAP? Fearing to dig deep to uncover facts and figures? And why isn't WP going back to its roots to woo back labour unions support? E.g. British Labor Party got 50% of its funds from labor union contributions. I see Slyvia Lim as nothing but a "new bird on the block", no substances, a cautious old lady who can't even attack LUP with facts and figures. And Servant, it is within the rights of a Minister to determine LUP basing on teh theri 3 criteria. - Aviod clustering for a fair spread of benefits and age of HDB blocks. - 3rd Criteria? Why, it is up to CST, LTK and SLyvia Lim to prove that mabowtan is qrong and playing "pork barrel" politics. Do CST, LTK and SLyvia Lim have the guts to do as JBJ did in Parliament? ANy how shoot but this time with actual facts and figures. _________________ AT the end of it all....wu wei Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:50 pm Lai CF Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2599 Location: Singapore ah peh wrote: servant wrote: Lai CF wrote: You all missed the main gist of his argument. He needs to take care of 800 no. HDB blocks in PAP Precincts first. Then, he will consider that 130 no. HDB blocks in Potong Pasir and Hougang later. : Greetings Master Lai servant got strange feeling you hav changed. Is it the result of your call up for "tea"?? haha Basically, fundamentally, theoretically, humanly, logically, rightfully...THERE IS NO GAHMEN MONEY, ONLY TAXPAYER'S MONEY! Be bless! Greetings Master Servant, Ah Peh from the coffee shop thinks he has not changed. He is just revealing his true color one more time. I had pointed that out once before, if you remember. Can you also remember that he was talking about people being faceless in the forums, and he likes to anyhow shoot, switching sides and so on? I won't bother with trying to win him over. Most probably he has made up his mind to be one of them. Anyway, people who keep switching sides are very dangerous ....... That is how I feel and think, though someone may prove me wrong ........ No wonder WP is going to the dogs, especially with senior member like you serving in WP...... _________________ AT the end of it all....wu wei Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:01 am Lai CF Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2599 Location: Singapore Rio wrote: Is there any admittance of defeat in this thread? I doubt it. Rio, by not pursuing the perceived unfairness of LUP continually, it is an admission of defeat by CST and LTK. And SLyvia Lim is useless by just writing tot he Press and did not provide any facts and figures to demolish Mabowtan's argument over teh 3rd Criteria. Is that all Slyvia LIm can do? Writing to the Press, got her views posted and that is all she can do? C'mon, she wants to be Opposition, she got to make a stand to attack Mabowtan's Three Criteria. Facts and figures please as to why it is "unfair". WHy Hougang and Potong Pasir must be ahead of the queue of other more deserving HDB precincts which are older. What? Potong Pasir and Hougand look more rundown that other HDB Estates? Care to quote ALL HDB Estates and prove that HOUGANG AND POTONG PASIR are the most rundown HDB Estates in SIngapore? Then ask yourself. WHy did your MP did not do something about it. PAP's fault again? Government fault again? Prove it and bring the case to the People. Like Chee Siok CHin attempting to prove in Court that GE2006 was "unfair" and should be void. SHouldn't LTK and CST bring LUP to Court to prove Mabowtan is unfair? Will Hougang TC and Potong Pasir TC foot the legal bills? _________________ AT the end of it all....wu wei Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:46 am ah peh Gold Member   Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Posts: 348 Location: Near the cemetry Lai CF wrote: ah peh wrote: servant wrote: Lai CF wrote: You all missed the main gist of his argument. He needs to take care of 800 no. HDB blocks in PAP Precincts first. Then, he will consider that 130 no. HDB blocks in Potong Pasir and Hougang later. : Greetings Master Lai servant got strange feeling you hav changed. Is it the result of your call up for "tea"?? haha Basically, fundamentally, theoretically, humanly, logically, rightfully...THERE IS NO GAHMEN MONEY, ONLY TAXPAYER'S MONEY! Be bless! Greetings Master Servant, Ah Peh from the coffee shop thinks he has not changed. He is just revealing his true color one more time. I had pointed that out once before, if you remember. Can you also remember that he was talking about people being faceless in the forums, and he likes to anyhow shoot, switching sides and so on? I won't bother with trying to win him over. Most probably he has made up his mind to be one of them. Anyway, people who keep switching sides are very dangerous ....... That is how I feel and think, though someone may prove me wrong ........ No wonder WP is going to the dogs, especially with senior member like you serving in WP...... Ah Peh from the coffee shop would firstly like to thank you for your complement and then try to humour you by borrowing some of your words thus: "No wonder the Papayas are going to the running dogs, especially with lickers and carriers like you serving their cause in disguise ......" _________________ Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burnt. Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:59 am servant Moderator   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 4590 Location: kopi tiams Lai CF wrote: It is virtually 99% anti-PAP here and I prefer to function as the "alternative view" here, to present the other side to all the anti-PAP arguments over here Greetings Master Lai "Devil's Advocate" ?? huh? and a pretty good one at that! Just a small correction, servants are not anti anybody lah! We just want an ombudsman to hear us out. For now at least the "alternative" parties are trying hard servants appreciate them.......GOD sent!........be bless! _________________ "ONLY HEAR THE GOOD STUFF" : Sinkapo Poh Ko Tian Tai aka Radio TCSS!! [Talk Cock Sing Song] Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:16 pm Grunt The Juggernaut   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2752 Lai CF Quote: It is virtually 99% anti-PAP here and I prefer to function as the "alternative view" here, to present the other side to all the anti-PAP arguments over here Did you wrote that ! Who say .... Proof to me ............................. Either you are misguided or misinformed ...... You ignorant fool ! .... I sue you for that ! _________________ Let There Be Light ! Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:28 pm Lai CF Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2599 Location: Singapore Grunt wrote: Lai CF Quote: It is virtually 99% anti-PAP here and I prefer to function as the "alternative view" here, to present the other side to all the anti-PAP arguments over here Did you wrote that ! Who say .... Proof to me ............................. Either you are misguided or misinformed ...... You ignorant fool ! .... I sue you for that ! Simple. Count number of PAP supporter[s] here and divide by number of posters here.... Better to be a loud-mouth fool than be a silent fool in perpetuality. _________________ AT the end of it all....wu wei Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:36 pm Lai CF Diamond Member   Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2599 Location: Singapore servant wrote: Lai CF wrote: It is virtually 99% anti-PAP here and I prefer to function as the "alternative view" here, to present the other side to all the anti-PAP arguments over here Greetings Master Lai "Devil's Advocate" ?? huh? and a pretty good one at that! Just a small correction, servants are not anti anybody lah! We just want an ombudsman to hear us out. For now at least the "alternative" parties are trying hard servants appreciate them.......GOD sent!........be bless! Indeed Servant. If those WP senior members here and WP supporters here can't even convinced me that they are evolving into Alternative Political Party ready to grasp the Reins of Power by 2024, then what hope has they in winning the hearts and minds of the Silver Hair brigade, their main source of support, nevermind the cynical "what is it in for me?" post-65ers. And if WP members like Ah Peh, a senior member of WP, start to behave by labelling people like me who can, and will, attack the ineptness of WP Policies in taking-on PAP, then they are no better or worse than PAP who are adepted at labelling the Opposition. And yet, senior WP members like Ah Peh, can't even grasped the concept of: "THE EMPEROR IS DEAD!!! LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR!!!" And Servant, always remember as in Taiqiquan: "Water is formless and the softest element; and yet through time, water can wera away the hardest rock." _________________ AT the end of it all....wu wei No changes to upgrading policy!!   Find Singapore.Net Forum Index » Singapore Issues You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum All times are GMT + 8 Hours   Page 1 of 2   Goto page 1, 2  Next All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First  Select a forum Bulletins----------------Announcement/Forumers' Notice BoardChitchat BoxWelcome to Your Forum Current Affairs----------------Singapore IssuesInternational IssuesPersonal EncountersMoney Matters Marketplace Indulgences - Cute, Clucks Clans----------------The Dream Chamber of the Silken KindsTime OutThe BlogAsia Paranormal Investigators Rest & Relax - Of Mind, Body & Soul----------------Food, Foods, FiestaLifestyle & RomanceSports & HobbiesJokes & Lighter MomentsMovies & TV CornerThe Frog and Frigate PubQuote of the dayVideos - Watch & Share Interesting videos here ------------------------ Click Here Consultation & Suggestion----------------Computer Services/InternetFeedback & SuggestionsSpitting Stool